If you're like me, you've read dozens of them. But how many really helped? The five below have done the most good for me. I'd like to know which have done the most good for you.
Stein on Writing and
How to Grow a Novel by Sol Stein
Scene and Structure by Jack Bickham
Writing for Story by Jon Franklin
Elements of Style, Strunk & White
Stein on Writing and
How to Grow a Novel by Sol Stein
Scene and Structure by Jack Bickham
Writing for Story by Jon Franklin
Elements of Style, Strunk & White
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Re: Which how-to books have actually helped you?
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 2:45 PMNot a one. I read a few part way through before throwing them out.
There is one book I reccommend but it's not a how to book. "Plain English for Lawyers"
It's more about Concission than much else but consiccion is easlily the average writer's greatest weakness.
Other books I have used extensively:
the OED, Fowler's Modern English Dictionary, Rogets, H. W. Fowler's Modern English Usage 2nd edition, Oxford Press 1985, The Random House Handbook 2nd edition 1997, by Fredrick Crews ( it's a Grammar) .
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Mon, May 15, 2006 - 3:12 PMStory, by Robert McKee. However, I found writing, writing and more writing to be the biggest help. Eventually, you have to just get a feel for how stories work. I don't hink how to books can help with that, but I don't think they hurt to read. -
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 1:43 PMI agree that writing, writing, and more writing is required. However, outside perspective sometimes helps. Does me, anyway. I started out writing songs and poems, which came naturally to me; novels, however, did not. It helped to read some novelists talking about how long it takes to write a novel, how messy the process is. It was a great relief. I thougt I was an idiot; turns out I was just a novice.
Reached 65,000 words today on a novel. Have two failed ones in a drawer. I going to end up with something finished, polished, and readable this time. Says me.
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 5:35 PMMy heart felt admiration to you. I started a novel and stalled at 50 pages.
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Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:36 PMI've read a bunch, like you, but three have truly been helpful: The War of Art by Steven Pressfield, How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by Orson Scott Card, and Starting from Scratch by Rita Mae Brown. They all had good advice, IMO, on lifestyle choices and nitty gritty of spending time in front of the computer, how bad it is for your body and how you have to compensate for it, etc. Practical advice like that.
I also have 20 Master Plots, but that's more a reference book than anything else. A snoozer unless you're actually looking for something to help you with plotting. I did glean one bit of memorable advice from it though. Every time you add a characters you increase the human relations factor (and difficulty) exponentially.
I have The Synonym Finder by J.I. Rodale that has been a godsend in many, many ways. I think I can even say it's more helpful than trying to use sites like yourdictionary.com and my Mac's Sherlock program.
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 1:37 PMI liked THE WAR OF ART too. An insightful pep talk. I'll investigate the Synonym Finder you mention---sounds useful.
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 2:08 PMI think you'll really like the Synonym Finder. IMO, much better than a regular thesaurus. -
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 2:16 PMI'll add the Synonym Finder to my Amazon Want List and eventually buy it. I've borrowed 20 Master Plots from the library. It may be more helpful to me later than it has been so far. With songs, I can see how parts link together and can feel my way through. But with a story, the 'get your character up a tree, throw rocks at him, then get him down' notion isn't much help practically.
I'm going through a change of perspective from short forms (poems, songs) to long ones. It's more of a transition than I realized.
Other transitions in my life as well. It's a turbulent but good time!
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Wed, May 17, 2006 - 3:15 PMYeah, holding out the arc over a longer period is more difficult in a lot of ways. Have you tried doing short stories? Or character sketches to get to know your characters (so you know the best way to get them down out of the tree.....)? -
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Thu, May 18, 2006 - 7:19 AMI've published a couple short stories and some 'creative non-fiction' (ie, a story about someone I knew). That helped. WIth novels, though---and it would be the same with screenplays, I guess---it's such a large structure that I had to learn to think in ways I wasn't used to. Also, I'm stubborn, so I kept wanting to write 'the way I'd always written.' The problem was that I was trying to write something different... As usual, my greatest enemy lay within.
Thanks for the on-going chat!
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Thu, May 25, 2006 - 11:44 AMOn Writing, by Stephen King. Yes, it's basic, but that's what we forget over time; how to get out of our own way and tell a story.
Writing the Breakout Novel, by Donald Maass. I've sold six novels, and this book taught me plenty when I read it only last year. -
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Thu, May 25, 2006 - 12:00 PMBridgett, I have the Stephen King on my pile of Things To Read. I've heard nothing but good things about it.
The library has the Maass book but I havne't tried it yet. I''ve just finished the rough draft of a mystery and while I let it cool, I'm looking at "Self-Editing for Fiction Writers" and "Setting" by Jack Bickham. Those are the things I could use help with now.
I'll pick up the Maass book someday, though.
Pleased to meet you. Congratulations on selling six novels!
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Sat, May 27, 2006 - 6:15 AMIf by Self-editing for the Fiction Writer you mean Ken Rand's The Ten-Percent Solution (which has that other title as a subtitle), that book is like atomic power: lots of energy in a small package. Highly recommended. If not, you now know of another. Any of Ken's books on writing are recommended.
Here's a story about the King book: a friend of mine is a successful British science fiction writer. He had already sold four novels and been shortlisted for major awards when he read the book. He read the biographical bits, then looked at the second part and said "Oh, yeah. Basics. Been there." and put it down. Now as he's revising novel #4, he gets the persistent feeling that it's lacking something major. Riffiling through his bookshelf he comes across On Writing and opens it up. Basics again. But what if that's what he really needs to look at? So he does. It changes what he's doing so profoundly that he starts all over again and rewrites the book from scratch, and it turned out to be easily twice as good as anything he'd ever done.
So yeah. Basics. He learned to put the story first, get the hell out of his own way, and stop doing hat tricks to fool himself and the reader that he wasn't just a little bit afraid to knuckle down and let the story tell itself.
I've read it several times myself, and as with all good books, I get something new out of it each time.
The Orson Scott Card book Rachel recommended is another winner. And strangely (and your library may carry this) try "My Voice Will Go With You: the Teaching Tales of Milton H. Erickson, Sidney Rosen. This is a book about a psychiatrist - probably the most amazing one who ever lived - who cured people by telling them stories, among other things. It will turn your head around, and maybe make you look at "story" in new ways.
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Sat, May 27, 2006 - 7:32 AMHi, Bridget,
I'm unfamiliar with Ken Rand's book. I'll look for it at Amazon. The one I'm reading (Self-Editing for Fiction Writers) is by Renni Browne and Dave King.
It IS the basics. I used to know a jazz drummer who would give me guitar lessons. He didn't know how to play guitar, but he knew all about time. He taught me to "project" it. ("You know you've got it when people keep the beat after you STOP playing.") That was as basic a lesson as I ever got but few have proved more valuable.
I'll look for "My Voice Will Go With You." Sounds like something I need to read.
Mark
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Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:00 AMBridget--
What a wonderful anecdote to share about your friend! Perfect! So often when we get lost (doing anything, really), it's because we think we know where we are, and when we find out we're wrong, it's disorienting.
Your anecdote is a great reminder of how, often, it's the simple, basic things that best help us get our bearings.
Now I have to go pick up the SK book. :-)
BBP
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 8:25 AMI absolutely love On Writing. I feel that it is one of the most helpful books because it is not a how to. It is simply thoughts from someone who has been there. Writing should be basic, and visceral, and he helps to bring that to light.
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 7:20 AMI have a few more to add that I forgot about because I lean on them so much I don't think of them anymore (if that makes sense).
Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg, and The Miracle of Mindfulness by Thich Nhat Han (yep - it helped my writing).
Also just finished a book called The Tao of Writing that I found had some good nuggets. And although I've subscribed to Writer's Digest and Writer off and on and to Locus once (it was spendy for that year, but fun to get), I think one of the more helpful things I did for my writing was get more creative in other areas. I got Artist Magazine for a year and painted more. Got really creative in all sorts of areas in my life, because in learning in those areas, I was able to bring it back to my writing. But the magazine was good. The lessons in there on painting are transferrable to a writer - and since you are reading of painting and thinking of writing, it becomes a very imaginary exercise.
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 7:51 AMI've read WRITING DOWN THE BONES but not the other books you mention. WDTB helped me; timed writings brought up things I otherwise may never have found.
Painting, you say. A poet I know in NC is beginning a painting class as a jolt to her muse. I would like to do that someday.
I find language study helpful. Now it's Latin. Also logic. I can't go more than a page in one of those texts without having a deliciously absurd thought.
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 8:23 AM"Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg"
Amazing book. I keep a copy nearby at all times and often simply open it at random and read a chapter for inspiration.
Any chapter.
Interestingly, I am often inspired by certain columnists, and I find myself wanting to write after reading what they write. They are (in no special order) Joe Bob Briggs/John Bloom, Dan Savage, Dave Barry, Cecil Adams. I still read Adams every day. None of these are ABOUT writing, they are just examples of people who write professionally, consistently, and unerringly, each with their own unique voice.
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 9:33 AMWriting Down the Bones is excellent. I just finished a book called Writing Past Dark by Bonnie Friedman that I found pretty inspiring. The first chapter is on enying the success of other writers, very thought provoking. I don't think it's a how-to book, it's more along the lines of how to perservere than anything.
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 10:42 AMI'm currently reading Hanging with the Dream King, by Joseph McCabe, interviews of people who worked with Neil Gaiman during the Sandman series. That is pretty inspiring itself. One of them talked about Gaiman's "deep and abiding love" for language and words. And some of them talked about the different places where they all drew inspiration from - whether it was music, art, books or other comics they were reading. Amazing where we can draw inspiration from. -
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Fri, June 9, 2006 - 3:31 PMI didn't realize Bradbury had written one! The one I read was Tao of Writing by Ralph Wahlstrom.
I'll have to check out the Zen since I've checked out the Tao!
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Sat, June 10, 2006 - 10:59 AMYes, The Zen of Writing is both inspirational and full of good, solid advice. Good one.
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Fri, July 14, 2006 - 1:27 PMI have a couple no one has mentioned yet-
Plot & Structure by Jame Scott Bell: this one helped me immensely in my crack at my first novel ever which was during last year's NaNoWriMo. I crossed the finish line with a 57k word count and a not completely awfull story. ;-)
Techniques of the Selling Writer by Dwight V. Swain: I simply love ths book for it's style of writing and for it's bare bones information. More than anything else it helped me to overcome my fear of even trying to write fiction. -
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Mon, July 17, 2006 - 10:02 AM>>Techniques of the Selling Writer by Dwight V. Swain: I simply love ths book for it's style of writing and for it's bare bones information. <<
I like this one too. It's a recent discovery, though it's been around a few decades. Now that you mention it, I'm probably due a refresher course...
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Tue, September 26, 2006 - 6:38 AMIf you like Swain's book, you should check out Jack Bickham's Scene and Structure. Actually, you should check out anything of Bickham's if you like Swain, because he was a student of his at Oklahoma University. It's a little too structured for me now, but I'll still reference it if I feel stuck.
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Sat, July 29, 2006 - 8:00 AMI can't really recommend any one book, and I've read a million of them. But for story structure, there's nothing better than John Truby's classes, which are available on CD and DVD at truby.com
I've been a pro writer - screenwriter and now novelist - for over ten years and there's no better story teacher out there, for my money.
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Sat, July 29, 2006 - 10:50 AMI think if you take a look at Truby's website you can get a lot of information about the information that he is teaching...
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Sun, July 30, 2006 - 11:56 AMThere are some great suggestions here folks, thanks. I'm finding that the books do help, but actually just writing and feedback is even more helpful still. Some of the folks on the tribe have really guided me in great directions as well. I think my work is improving gradually, but even more important than that the last two years of writing has been a fun rather than frustrating experience.
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 1:48 PM"If You Can Talk, You Can Write" - Joel Salzman - You'll never have writer's block again... hardly! -
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 1:10 PM>>>>>"If You Can Talk, You Can Write" - Joel Salzman - You'll never have writer's block again... hardly! <<<<<
I'm at the library, saw your recommendation, found the title in the online catalog and placed a hold (--the book's at another branch). I'll let you know what I make of it.
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Thu, December 7, 2006 - 6:24 PMArt & Fear - it's about coming to peace with yourself so you can do your work:
Excerpt: "This is a book about making art. Ordinary art. Ordinary art means something like: all art not made by Mozart. After all, art is rarely made by Mozart-like people; essentially-statistically speaking-there aren't any people like that. Geniuses get made once-a-century or so, yet good art gets made all the time, so to equate the making of art with the workings of genius removes this intimately human activity to a strangely unreachable and unknowable place. For all practical purposes making art can be examined in great detail without ever getting entangled in the very remote problems of genius."
and the immensely practical Writing Fiction by Janet Burroway.
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Sat, December 9, 2006 - 12:52 AMwithout going into explanations or excerpts, here's my list so far:
Raymond Carver "Fires" (ok, I'll explain: the essays section)
Henry Miller "On Writing"
Aristotle "Poetics"
Edgar Allen Poe "Theory of Composition"
Henry James "The Art of Fiction" and the "New York Prefaces"
Ernest Hemingway "A Moveable Feast"
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 7:14 AMI try to reread Aristotle's "Poetics" at least once a year. i think this year the concept of Dilemma finally kicked in. Who knows, in a few years I might actually have a complete understanding of the treasure he left us.
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:15 AMI'll toss in another vote for Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg, add a second to Ernest Hemingway's Movable Feast, then throw in the following:
The Artist's Way -- Julia Cameron
The Forest for the Trees: An Editor's Advice to Writers -- Betsy Lerner
The Pocket Muse -- Monica Wood
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:24 PMOne of my favorite books is Developing Digital Short Films, by Sherri Sheridan. It's SO much more than a book about films...but has a great step by step process for character development and visual storytelling. Love it.
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Mon, December 18, 2006 - 3:25 PMWriting Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, 6th Edition (NOT 7th)
by Janet Burroway
Excellent. I've read it twice; will read it again.
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 9:32 AM"The Elements of Style" should be a required text for any type of writer. We had to get that for my writing classes in high school and college.
I've bought some writing books, of course, but I'm trying to limit how many I get, so I'm not inundated by all the advice and suggestions!
I was fortunate to find "The Marshall Plan" book and workbook, by Evan Marshall. It's a wonderful guideline for planning one's novel, and when I'm finally done filling in the workbook, I'll be ready to put it all together and (hopefully) be professionally published.
One reason I'm very excited about this plan/workbook is that before I even bought it, I'd already been doing some things he recommends! My story arc is already planned out, I know where it's going, etc., etc., and to see that validated by a professional writer and editor is very encouraging.
Now, the final test of actually helping me is to get it published! Or I should say "them" because it's hopefully going to be at least a two-book series.
Other helpful resources have been websites of favorite authors, like Orson Scott Card, who discusses the all-important first 13 lines of one's novel. I've got the first 5 done at least, whoohoo!
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The Artist's Way
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 3:54 PMHands down, the best book to assist in the craft of writing is Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way, which teaches that quantity over quality is the best way to begin.
It is a sure way of leaving writer's block in the distant past and it teaches you that you have it within you to craft beautiful words, but we often spend too much time worrying about the initial draft.
As a perfect example of a way to get you going, she said that the first thing we do when we wake is to write, without stopping or criticising, 3-4 single lined pages of whatever comes to mind. From this adventure in often inanity, you are combed out of the riff raff, and ready for quick spurts of response to ideas that come to you. Inevitably too, those inane pages reveal important points along the way to what was bothering you, what caught your eye, and from many of these moments holding my bladder as I wrote on an elbow, I've crafted some of my best work.
Then of course, there are the philosophy books, like Heidegger's Being and Time, Jean-Paul Sartre's Critique of Dialectical Reason and other texts that were like walking in a snow storm of words, but in the end, I feel a tightened vehicle of thought that picks up errors quickly and provides a mindset that looks at other books with a simple glare.
In general, you start with the most difficult pieces and you stay with them until you unlock all their secrets. It's about never leaving a stone unturned and thus our own writing cruises by with a sophisticated first layer. And from that first layer, we separate the text where clarification is needed and exponding is desired.
Writing is a puzzle, a big landscape of pieces that our quests for quality constipate. Often a good story has taken years to craft in the mental confines of experience and honed skills and so the book The Artist's Way prepares you for the ideas that come and like a soldier you harness the ideas with eloquence because you have been running and fighting with yourself not to fear opportunity.
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Mon, February 5, 2007 - 2:14 PMThe Screenwriter's Bible, by David Trotter is the only book on writing screenplays that's worth reading. It's helpful, and ego and bullshit free, a rarity in the world of screenwriting books.
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Thu, April 5, 2007 - 7:29 PMI agree that Janet Burroway's book is amazing. she edited a book based on Robert Olen Butler's lectures that's called "From Where You Dream." His take on novel writing really made sense to me--i'm finally convinced that you do have to write every day on a piece until it's finished. he explains why it really does help to do this.
it's absolutely my fave book on writing, and i've read Writing Down the Bones, Bird by Bird, The Forest for the Trees, Elements of Style, and a few others i can't recall right now.
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