I have noticed that many authors, both new as well as established authors, have begun exploring and using print on demand type publishers. Lulu comes to my mind first but there are others. Does this trend seem like a viable avenue to get your words out there? Do writers that have used this format find that self promotion or their work to be a difficult task?
I am eager to hear opinions on this subject.
I am eager to hear opinions on this subject.
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Wed, August 29, 2007 - 10:19 PMIt depends on what you're trying to do. If you do use such a service, remember that the only proofreading you'll get will be what you and your friends do with the copy. Lulu has a distribution package you can purchase for $100 that gets you an ISBN and on Amazon and other places, but it doesn't get you in the bookstore. BUT, you can go to bookstores and offer to do a reading there and have some sent in or bring some in, you'll have to prepurchase them yourself, and then you can offer to sign them. Larger publishers may not pick up your POD unless it looks like it's going to go somewhere, but depending on how it does, you could use that as a jumping board for the next time you submit to an agent or publisher. HOWEVER, that doesn't always work. Publishers like to see that you have gone through the process of being approved by objective editorial people before being published before they decided to spend time with you.
So, it all depends.
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 10:43 PMI was definitely under the impression it was not a productive route to take but the National Writers Union is featuring an article suggesting otherwise.
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 10:34 AMIt is gaining more acceptance these days simply because it is more difficult for writers to get published. Regular publishers are looking for things that are "marketable" and less likely to take chances on new or experimental voices. -
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 12:41 PMThe key is whether you make money on your book, whether you self-publish or go small press. The book Eragon is a case in point. It started as a self publish and got some buzz, made some money and, of course, the publishers took notice. A big publisher snatched it up and took it further. So, if you can figure out how to sell your POD, then regular publishers will consider you marketable as you are less of a risk. I have a non-fiction book that is currently being shopped by my agent. But, if it doesn't sell, then I'll do POD myself, as I have a platform and can sell it myself. Then publishers will find me more attractive.
But I think it is still a good to try and get an agent or pitch to the traditional publishers to start. Then, if you don't find success, self-publish and be ready to sell the heck out of it. -
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 2:41 PMWhat she said. -
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Thu, August 30, 2007 - 5:44 PMThanks everyone who has responed.
I have been sceptical about POD for some time. Recently an aquantence who has five books on Red Wheel/Weiser has switched over to Lulu. He has offered a favorable review of the lulu process. My opinions are beginning to change. I may look into doing a book through Lulu. -
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 8:36 PMI have a friend who put together a book of his shorter works through LuLu so he has samples to send people, kind of like a poet's chapbook. I also know of people who put together anthologies through Lulu (I'm in one). I think it's a great tool, whether you're putting together a reunion book just for a specific set of people, or just trying to get your stuff out there. -
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 7:14 PMCould anyone who has experience with Lulu tell me the pros and cons? I would love to hear from someone who has gone through the process - and uses Lulu for publishing, networking, or otherwise - on what they think works or fails on Lulu, or a site like Writing.com, CreateSpace (the new one from Amazon), etc. Thanks in advance. I'm just getting into the whole publishing world, and I could use some guidance aside from the standard and extremely basic, "Write a book; edit it; compose a query letter to get an agent; get published under well-scrutinized terms; keep marketing yourself forever and ever." I get that part, alright already. :D
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 5:43 PMGot this in my mail today:
What Good Is a Traditional Publisher?
By Sallie Goetsch
A colleague recently put this question in the bluntest of terms:
"If publishers won't promote your book and they take a huge
percentage, what exactly do they do for the author?"
I wouldn't say that publishing houses won't promote your book, but
first-time authors get a very small piece of the marketing pie-and
publishers have smaller marketing budgets than they used to. They
have smaller everything budgets than they used to, which means less
personal attention, and that's one reason someone could
legitimately ask "Well, what good are they, then?"
Another reason is the increasing availability of print-on-demand
technology and self-publishing resources. No longer does a would-be
self publisher have to start a publishing business and spend
thousands of dollars to get into print. Authors have more options
than they did 20 years ago.
For many non-fiction authors (and even some novelists),
self-publishing and POD are valid options. There's no question that
authors who use these methods of publishing get to keep more of the
book's cover price. And there are still a number of small,
independent presses out there who provide more support to their
authors because they take on only a few books each year. But there
are still some advantages to getting your book published by one of
the giants.
They Know What Sells
Before you can get your book published, you have to submit a
proposal with an outline of your book and a marketing plan.
Acquisitions editors at the big houses know what's selling and what
isn't. If you get repeated rejections which all cite the same
problems, it's a sign that you need to retool your idea before you
go to all the trouble of writing the book. And if they accept your
proposal, it's because they believe there's a large enough market
for your book to justify their investment in producing it.
They Pay in Advance
Admittedly, the advance you get for your first book isn't likely to
allow you to quit your day job, since it's likely to be in the low
five figures. And it doesn't arrive the minute you sign the
contract, either. But that money can cover many of the costs
associated with writing and marketing the book, such as travel for
research, a local direct mail campaign, or the services of a
ghostwriter.
They Have More Resources
When you self-publish or use a POD house, you have to locate, and
pay for, all kinds of professionals, or spend extra time doing the
many jobs of publishing yourself. You may be the top expert in your
field and a good writer on top of it, but creating a book also
requires copyediting, book design, typesetting (though no actual
type is involved anymore), proof reading, and cover art, among
other things. Large publishers already have all these people either
on staff or working for them as contractors, and they've had
decades to learn things like which fonts are most readable and how
much white space you need on a page.
Many POD houses offer editing, book layout, and cover design
services, but they charge you for them. If you're truly
self-publishing, you have to find and pay all these people
yourself, in addition to your actual printing and shipping costs.
(And much as I admire self-publishing guru Dan Poynter, I don't
hold with his theory that you can use clip art for your book cover
and still look professional.)
They Get You into Bookstores
Very few self-published authors can get their books onto the
shelves of large chain bookstores like Barnes and Noble and
Borders. These companies have strict policies about which
distributors they deal with and require return policies which no
sane person would stand for.
And, of course, if a chain won't carry your book, it's not likely
you'll be able to hold an author event there. What's more, the
publisher takes care of shipping extra copies of your book to the
store when you do the signing, so you don?t have to drag books
around with you. (You do have to notify them that you're doing the
event and ask them to send the books.)
Publishers also have booths at major publishing conventions like
Book Expo America. Your book might not get star billing, but
they'll be pushing all their new titles.
So yes, traditional publishers do still provide their authors with
valuable services. And the "huge percentage" they take rarely
amounts to a huge profit: it goes to covering their very
considerable costs in preparing, printing, and distributing your
book (not to mention offering those killer return policies to the
bookstores). Despite the increasing ease and respectability of
self-publishing, pitching your book to Random House or
HarperCollins may still be your best option.
© 2007 Sallie Goetsch
www.worldwidefreelance.com/writing.htm
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 5:13 AMPersonally, Im an impatient person...and waiting 20, 30 years tryig to find an agent or publisher for my book didnt sound appealing to me... and having them wating me to make changes to my story and all that... doesnt settle.
I didnt go with Lulu, but I went with Infinity Publishing for my book and I am very satisfied. The staff was helpful and they have an Author's Conference every year. They also gave me freedom to design the cover however I want and they have copyeditors if you want your book professionally edited before you publish. They have a lot of benefits as well such as adding a CD to your book or going with an audiobook. Sure you pay, but nothing good ever goes without an investment. And you have to self promote...but you'd have to do that with a big publishing company as well. -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 8:06 AMI went to Lulu just last week and spent a few hours perusing their forums. You don't have to be a member to read their boards so I highly recommend you go there and get the skinny from the people actually in the process.
I'm finishing up a novella that I'm considering self-publishing. I was also aware of the stigma attached to POD which sort of stems from the old prejudice against "vanity press," but these days are all about smashing the old paradigms and bypassing antiquated distribution channels (hello, youtube), so I'm seriously considering self-publishing. I'm with Angelic - why wait years hoping that query sticks? -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 8:10 AMOh and I can't remember the last time I went into a Barnes and Noble or a Borders and bought a book. I either buy from mom-n-pop shops or purchase online through Amazon, so not getting into the big retailers doesn't bother me. -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 9:26 AMhaha same here, when i told my friends my book was on amazon they acted as if it was in a bookstore! funny thing is, you find more in the online bookstores then in person. Ive been in barnes and noble so many times not finding what i want then i have to go home and go to b&n.com to find what im really looking for. And with amazon, youre book will come up in a lot of those searches as well, so im satisfied. =)
and with infinity...its the cheapest ive seen so far (outside of Lulu) with lots of benefits
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Re: Print On Demand Type Publishers
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 8:13 AMFor me it depends on what I am going to get published. For the genre stories I write, I want to go the traditional short story/novel route with magazines, ezines, and traditional and/or small press publishers. BUT, if I were to do a self-help or how-to book, I would consider POD because people actually google and search for topics and your book could pop up on that search if it's in a particular niche. I also would do say a book of poetry. Poets have been self-publishing for years. You put together your chapbook and go out and hawk it to all the bookstores and make a name and that's how you get poetry publishers to notice you. The poetry book I'm seriously considering doing at Lulu since for about $100 you can get distribution and an ISBN. -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 10:23 AMIronically tribe has ads to the right of this thread that just tuned me in to a new POD service - booksurge.com...i'm there now and it also looks pretty interesting. It was also bought by amazon in 2005 so it's got some meat on its bones.
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